http://www.listsearch.com/Mailsmith/index.lasso Mailsmith Talk is an email discussion forum for discussion of the Mailsmith product from Bare Bones Software, Inc. en-us Fri, 30 Jul 2010 10:44:24 -0700 http://www.listsearch.com/Mailsmith/Message/index.lasso?11877 Lance Osborne to Mailsmith Talk on 2010-07-30 10:44:24 - Thanks, Ken! On Jul 29, 2:54 pm, Ken Lanxner <k...@simplelives.com> wrote: > Hi. Server name is pop.gmail.com. User ID is your complete gmail > address. I use POP port 995 for my gmail accounts so I assume I > got that from gmail. SSL is required. I... Thu, 29 Jul 2010 11:54:04 -0700 http://www.listsearch.com/Mailsmith/Message/index.lasso?11876 Ken Lanxner to Mailsmith Talk on 2010-07-29 11:54:04 - Hi. Server name is pop.gmail.com. User ID is your complete gmail address. I use POP port 995 for my gmail accounts so I assume I got that from gmail. SSL is required. If sending, use port 465 via smtp.gmail.com. Use SMTP authentication. Ken la... Thu, 29 Jul 2010 11:40:41 -0700 http://www.listsearch.com/Mailsmith/Message/index.lasso?11875 Lance Osborne to Mailsmith Talk on 2010-07-29 11:40:41 - Can someone provide settings for checking Gmail with Mailsmith? I am a returning Mailsmith user. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Mailsmith Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to mailsmith-tal... Mon, 19 Jul 2010 11:02:00 -0700 http://www.listsearch.com/Mailsmith/Message/index.lasso?11874 SoftRAID support to Mailsmith Talk on 2010-07-19 11:02:00 - I am still using 2.2.5, so maybe this is resolved in 2.3. I had a couple computer hiccups last month and had to use webmail a couple times. I cc'd myself on a few emails sent, and want to store them in the "sent mail" folder. they have been opene... Sun, 18 Jul 2010 15:13:39 -0700 http://www.listsearch.com/Mailsmith/Message/index.lasso?11873 Per A J Andersson to Mailsmith Talk on 2010-07-18 15:13:39 - Steve Kalkwarf just said: > Launch with the Shift key held down, and the counts will be recomputed. This may take some time. Many thanks! I'll do this, when I'm back with my home computer (right now on a summer trip). I reckon it's "shift" and... Sat, 17 Jul 2010 11:27:01 -0700 http://www.listsearch.com/Mailsmith/Message/index.lasso?11872 Bill Rowe to Mailsmith Talk on 2010-07-17 11:27:01 - On 7/17/10 at 6:34 PM, paja@telia.com (Per A J Andersson) wrote: >Yesterday (after having done "Force Quit" on Mailsmith by mistake) I >ended up with an "incoming mail" folder with a wrong message count. >Actual content is 21 items (2 unread), while ... Sat, 17 Jul 2010 11:16:05 -0700 http://www.listsearch.com/Mailsmith/Message/index.lasso?11871 Steve Kalkwarf to Mailsmith Talk on 2010-07-17 11:16:05 - > Is there a (quick) fix for this? I gather "rebuild" (on startup) is no longer recommended in these circumstances, as it once was. Or am I wrong? Launch with the Shift key held down, and the counts will be recomputed. This may take some time. Steve... Sat, 17 Jul 2010 09:34:24 -0700 http://www.listsearch.com/Mailsmith/Message/index.lasso?11870 Per A J Andersson to Mailsmith Talk on 2010-07-17 09:34:24 - Hello! Yesterday (after having done "Force Quit" on Mailsmith by mistake) I ended up with an "incoming mail" folder with a wrong message count. Actual content is 21 items (2 unread), while the counter says 32 items (8 unread). Is there a (quic... Wed, 14 Jul 2010 23:29:24 -0700 http://www.listsearch.com/Mailsmith/Message/index.lasso?11869 David Blanchard to Mailsmith Talk on 2010-07-14 23:29:24 - I posted this a few days ago...but no responses. Have I stumped the experts on this one? ;-) I hope somebody has suggestions. Right now my only option is to turn off spam filtering since every time I start MS I end up with a new (spam) mailbox. ... Wed, 14 Jul 2010 14:13:22 -0700 http://www.listsearch.com/Mailsmith/Message/index.lasso?11868 SoftRAID support to Mailsmith Talk on 2010-07-14 14:13:22 - I am running Mailsmith 2.2.5 on a Mac Mini. THe Mini only has 1GB of RAM. THis is with 10.6.4. The machine is running horribly slow with tons of disk thrashing. Seems Mailsmith is the culprit. Activity monitor shows Mailsmith using 48.7MB of RAM... Mon, 12 Jul 2010 18:13:26 -0700 http://www.listsearch.com/Mailsmith/Message/index.lasso?11867 Rich Siegel to Mailsmith Talk on 2010-07-12 18:13:26 - On Monday, July 12, 2010, Eric L <elandmann@gmail.com> wrote: >Been having a problem for ages where images in HTML attachments don't >appear when the HTML document is viewed in Firefox. Image code is as >such, for example: > ><IMG src "cid:33617960... Mon, 12 Jul 2010 16:43:34 -0700 http://www.listsearch.com/Mailsmith/Message/index.lasso?11866 Eric L to Mailsmith Talk on 2010-07-12 16:43:34 - Hi all: Been having a problem for ages where images in HTML attachments don't appear when the HTML document is viewed in Firefox. Image code is as such, for example: <IMG src "cid:3361796022 98566725" > Both the HTML page (of course) and the im... Fri, 09 Jul 2010 12:55:04 -0700 http://www.listsearch.com/Mailsmith/Message/index.lasso?11865 SoftRAID support to Mailsmith Talk on 2010-07-09 12:55:04 - I have an odd problem, not sure what caused it. My intel Laptop failed, it was running 2.2.5, build 314. I copied the MailSmith folder from the Mirror volume, over to a G4 Laptop, which I used for the past week. Apple Mail was a disaster, but M... Thu, 08 Jul 2010 22:45:07 -0700 http://www.listsearch.com/Mailsmith/Message/index.lasso?11864 David Blanchard to Mailsmith Talk on 2010-07-08 22:45:07 - My (spam) folders are multiplying again. I know that I can go to Preferences->Spam Handling and de-select Enable spam detection. Then I can select each (spam) mailbox and delete it. Did that but extra (spam) folders reappeared with each restart o... Wed, 07 Jul 2010 09:17:45 -0700 http://www.listsearch.com/Mailsmith/Message/index.lasso?11863 Neil Barstow to Mailsmith Talk on 2010-07-07 09:17:45 - Hi Bill thanks to Steve Kallkwarf and to you for your advice. I have been using Mailsmith since OS9, not as long as you of course. If I do cut down the script as advised and if it runs when Mailsmith happens to be active checking mail it does no... Wed, 07 Jul 2010 09:10:19 -0700 http://www.listsearch.com/Mailsmith/Message/index.lasso?11862 Bill Rowe to Mailsmith Talk on 2010-07-07 09:10:19 - On 7/7/10 at 3:35 PM, info@colourmanagement.net (Neil Barstow) wrote: >However, 2 things >1: quitting Mailsmith: I have a script to quit Mailsmith so it's not >running during backup (necessary of course). Unfortunately though it >doesn't always wo... Wed, 07 Jul 2010 08:14:33 -0700 http://www.listsearch.com/Mailsmith/Message/index.lasso?11861 Peter Eckel to Mailsmith Talk on 2010-07-07 08:14:33 - HI Rich, > I hardly know where to start with this one. :-) you managed quite well ... :-) > ...you open the discussion by saying that you want to switch > email clients. Because your backup system let you down. I think there was a misundersta... Wed, 07 Jul 2010 07:35:54 -0700 http://www.listsearch.com/Mailsmith/Message/index.lasso?11860 Neil Barstow to Mailsmith Talk on 2010-07-07 07:35:54 - Rich someone hijacked my thread, I don't wish to use Time Machine ever. here is / was my question: Hia Rich, I have been reading the thread on Time Machine backups with interest, I'll not be using it, but following your advice to use Super Du... Wed, 07 Jul 2010 07:03:11 -0700 http://www.listsearch.com/Mailsmith/Message/index.lasso?11859 Rich Siegel to Mailsmith Talk on 2010-07-07 07:03:11 - On Wednesday, July 7, 2010, Peter Eckel <pe-google-mailsmith@hindenburgring.com> wrote: >I'd think that would be a good indication to look into the >implementation of TM awareness to find out what could be (I don't say >there is, but there *are* so... Wed, 07 Jul 2010 02:03:34 -0700 http://www.listsearch.com/Mailsmith/Message/index.lasso?11858 Den Dowling to Mailsmith Talk on 2010-07-07 02:03:34 - Late to the thread but $.02... I use MS and Time Machine and have done successful recoveries of MS database. This is just my setup - maybe not applicable to all. 1. I keep Time Machine turned off and only run it manually when all apps are quit. N... Wed, 07 Jul 2010 01:11:44 -0700 http://www.listsearch.com/Mailsmith/Message/index.lasso?11857 Peter Eckel to Mailsmith Talk on 2010-07-07 01:11:44 - Hi Steve, > What the ShirtPocket guys are saying is that to be 100% certain that you end up with a usable clone, you need to > make sure nothing is running on your machine at the time of backup. This is good, accurate advice. IMO, it's not > practica... Tue, 06 Jul 2010 18:06:44 -0700 http://www.listsearch.com/Mailsmith/Message/index.lasso?11856 luminositi to Mailsmith Talk on 2010-07-06 18:06:44 - >...SuperDuper has a feature in which backups are done when the >desired disk is connected. Dang, Rich. Thanks for the tip. This is an undocumented feature that I can sure use Cheers -Said -- You received this message because you are subs... Tue, 06 Jul 2010 13:59:45 -0700 http://www.listsearch.com/Mailsmith/Message/index.lasso?11855 Bill Rowe to Mailsmith Talk on 2010-07-06 13:59:45 - On 7/6/10 at 3:46 PM, rjk@tamias.net (Ronald J Kimball) wrote: >You're leaving something out of your analysis. Suppose you only >have one backup in a given period. It is true that the probability >of having at least one bad backup in that period is... Tue, 06 Jul 2010 12:46:53 -0700 http://www.listsearch.com/Mailsmith/Message/index.lasso?11854 Ronald J Kimball to Mailsmith Talk on 2010-07-06 12:46:53 - On Tue, Jul 06, 2010 at 10:09:51AM -0700, Bill Rowe wrote: > OK. Let me try one more time. The collision frequency specifies > the average number of backups per unit time that experience a > collision when being made. If this value is suitably small,... Tue, 06 Jul 2010 10:09:51 -0700 http://www.listsearch.com/Mailsmith/Message/index.lasso?11853 Bill Rowe to Mailsmith Talk on 2010-07-06 10:09:51 - On 7/5/10 at 11:40 PM, rjk@tamias.net (Ronald J Kimball) wrote: >>If you keep the time Mailsmith alters data, the time Time Machine >>spends copying that data and the frequency at which Mailsmith >>alters data all constant, it should be clear reducin... Tue, 06 Jul 2010 05:35:55 -0700 http://www.listsearch.com/Mailsmith/Message/index.lasso?11852 Steve Kalkwarf to Mailsmith Talk on 2010-07-06 05:35:55 - > 1: quitting Mailsmith: > I have a script to quit Mailsmith so it's not running during backup > (necessary of course). Unfortunately though it doesn't always work > right. I will append it incase anyone has a clue as to why ;-) I would shorten that... Tue, 06 Jul 2010 03:43:06 -0700 http://www.listsearch.com/Mailsmith/Message/index.lasso?11851 Neil Barstow to Mailsmith Talk on 2010-07-06 03:43:06 - Hia Rich, all, I have been reading the thread on Time Machine backups with interest, I'll not be using it, but following your advice to use Super Duper overnight daily. However, 2 things 1: quitting Mailsmith: I have a script to quit Mailsmith... Mon, 05 Jul 2010 20:40:11 -0700 http://www.listsearch.com/Mailsmith/Message/index.lasso?11850 Ronald J Kimball to Mailsmith Talk on 2010-07-05 20:40:11 - On Mon, Jul 05, 2010 at 03:32:58PM -0700, Bill Rowe wrote: > On 7/5/10 at 1:34 PM, pe-google-mailsmith@hindenburgring.com (Peter > Eckel) wrote: > > >>By requiring all of the backups in a given period to be valid, I > >>minimize the effort of findin... Mon, 05 Jul 2010 15:32:58 -0700 http://www.listsearch.com/Mailsmith/Message/index.lasso?11849 Bill Rowe to Mailsmith Talk on 2010-07-05 15:32:58 - On 7/5/10 at 1:34 PM, pe-google-mailsmith@hindenburgring.com (Peter Eckel) wrote: >>By requiring all of the backups in a given period to be valid, I >>minimize the effort of finding a good backup since I only need >>choose the last one. >well ...... Mon, 05 Jul 2010 14:35:22 -0700 http://www.listsearch.com/Mailsmith/Message/index.lasso?11848 Peter Eckel to Mailsmith Talk on 2010-07-05 14:35:22 - Hi Phil, > Could the most important "bug" be that you're maybe not using > Time Machine as Apple intended? > > http://www.apple.com/macosx/what-is-macosx/time-machine.html > > "Time Machine works with your Mac and an external hard drive." no, i... Mon, 05 Jul 2010 14:01:47 -0700 http://www.listsearch.com/Mailsmith/Message/index.lasso?11847 Phil Tanny to Mailsmith Talk on 2010-07-05 14:01:47 - >And *that* is the really interesting bit, meaning that introducing >Time Machine awareness actually *broke* the interoperability with Time >Machine. Which I would consider a bug. Could the most important "bug" be that you're maybe not using Time M... Mon, 05 Jul 2010 13:34:43 -0700 http://www.listsearch.com/Mailsmith/Message/index.lasso?11846 Peter Eckel to Mailsmith Talk on 2010-07-05 13:34:43 - Hi Bill, > By requiring all of the backups in a given period to be valid, I > minimize the effort of finding a good backup since I only need > choose the last one. well ... no. The chance that the last backup made is, as you pointed out, exactly ... Mon, 05 Jul 2010 12:36:07 -0700 http://www.listsearch.com/Mailsmith/Message/index.lasso?11845 Bill Rowe to Mailsmith Talk on 2010-07-05 12:36:07 - On 7/5/10 at 11:16 AM, pe-google-mailsmith@hindenburgring.com (Peter Eckel) wrote: >I am not postulating that all five backups in a five-hour interval >are ok. This is what you are calculating infact: 35/36 is the chance >of having *one* valid backu... Mon, 05 Jul 2010 11:28:58 -0700 http://www.listsearch.com/Mailsmith/Message/index.lasso?11844 Jason Davies to Mailsmith Talk on 2010-07-05 11:28:58 - Peter Eckel wrote: > Thanks anyway for giving Mailsmith away for free. It's been a very > good and reliable Mail client much of the time, and it still has it's > merits. > as someone who is (hopefully temporarily) having to use IMAP via Mail ... Mon, 05 Jul 2010 11:20:24 -0700 http://www.listsearch.com/Mailsmith/Message/index.lasso?11843 Peter Eckel to Mailsmith Talk on 2010-07-05 11:20:24 - Hi Rich, > Then you should switch email clients, that is becoming obvious to me. > and wait for Time Machine > to fail to restore something else important the next time you > need to recover your system after a catastrophic failure. Not the ... Mon, 05 Jul 2010 11:16:14 -0700 http://www.listsearch.com/Mailsmith/Message/index.lasso?11842 Peter Eckel to Mailsmith Talk on 2010-07-05 11:16:14 - HI Bill, > >which makes the chance of at least one valid backup in five hours equal > >to 1-(1/36)^5 0,99999998 (which would be the opposite of having five > >bad backups in a row). Pretty good. > > But this isn't correct. It is. I am not p... Mon, 05 Jul 2010 10:48:50 -0700 http://www.listsearch.com/Mailsmith/Message/index.lasso?11841 Jason Davies to Mailsmith Talk on 2010-07-05 10:48:50 - how about a Mobileme sync for Mailsmith?;-) After all, all the experience of trying to get me.com to work for Yojimbo, you guys must know a thing or two about working round its limitations? Then you could have two machines simultaneously corrupt th... Mon, 05 Jul 2010 10:38:53 -0700 http://www.listsearch.com/Mailsmith/Message/index.lasso?11840 Bill Rowe to Mailsmith Talk on 2010-07-05 10:38:53 - On 7/5/10 at 9:40 AM, pe-google-mailsmith@hindenburgring.com (Peter Eckel) wrote: >I use *three* machines, two of which are notebooks which tend to >change location rather often (which is why they are notebooks, after >all). I would have to have sev... Mon, 05 Jul 2010 10:38:02 -0700 http://www.listsearch.com/Mailsmith/Message/index.lasso?11839 Phil Tanny to Mailsmith Talk on 2010-07-05 10:38:02 - >>I would have to have several external disks and connect them to >>my notebooks whenever I want automatic backups performed. > >This is getting a little far afield, but SuperDuper has a >feature in which backups are done when the desired disk is con... Mon, 05 Jul 2010 10:32:27 -0700 http://www.listsearch.com/Mailsmith/Message/index.lasso?11838 Rich Siegel to Mailsmith Talk on 2010-07-05 10:32:27 - On Monday, July 5, 2010, Peter Eckel <pe-google-mailsmith@hindenburgring.com> wrote: >Yes, Rich, until now. And I would not even have thought about >abandoning Mailsmith had it not been a) twice in a row, b) *only* >Mailsmith, and c) *every* backup... Mon, 05 Jul 2010 10:31:27 -0700 http://www.listsearch.com/Mailsmith/Message/index.lasso?11837 Rich Siegel to Mailsmith Talk on 2010-07-05 10:31:27 - On Monday, July 5, 2010, Peter Eckel <pe-google-mailsmith@hindenburgring.com> wrote: >I would have to have several external disks and connect them to >my notebooks whenever I want automatic backups performed. This is getting a little far afield, ... Mon, 05 Jul 2010 10:24:30 -0700 http://www.listsearch.com/Mailsmith/Message/index.lasso?11836 Bill Rowe to Mailsmith Talk on 2010-07-05 10:24:30 - On 7/5/10 at 6:56 AM, pe-google-mailsmith@hindenburgring.com (Peter Eckel) wrote: >Hi Bill, > >>Now with the default of backups running hourly, the probability of >>no conflict in the first in a 5 hour period in the second case >>would be about (1... Mon, 05 Jul 2010 10:16:15 -0700 http://www.listsearch.com/Mailsmith/Message/index.lasso?11835 Phil Tanny to Mailsmith Talk on 2010-07-05 10:16:15 - >I use *three* machines, two of which are notebooks which tend to >change location rather often (which is why they are notebooks, after >all). I would have to have several external disks and connect them to >my notebooks whenever I want automatic backu... Mon, 05 Jul 2010 09:45:06 -0700 http://www.listsearch.com/Mailsmith/Message/index.lasso?11834 Peter Eckel to Mailsmith Talk on 2010-07-05 09:45:06 - > Until now, am I right? Yes, Rich, until now. And I would not even have thought about abandoning Mailsmith had it not been a) twice in a row, b) *only* Mailsmith, and c) *every* backup of the Mailsmith database I tried. It seems that a TM backup ... Mon, 05 Jul 2010 09:40:30 -0700 http://www.listsearch.com/Mailsmith/Message/index.lasso?11833 Peter Eckel to Mailsmith Talk on 2010-07-05 09:40:30 - Hi Phil, > I must misunderstand. What am I missing? > > Can't SuperDuper backups of any drive be fully automated? > > Where is the "very much hassle"?? I use *three* machines, two of which are notebooks which tend to change location rather of... Mon, 05 Jul 2010 09:36:59 -0700 http://www.listsearch.com/Mailsmith/Message/index.lasso?11832 Peter Eckel to Mailsmith Talk on 2010-07-05 09:36:59 - Hi Rich, > I'm confused. Why does Time Machine's inability to correctly > restore your data from a backup constitute an active loss of > data on Mailsmith's part? Surely Mailsmith wasn't running when > you did the restore, nor did you ask it to extr... Mon, 05 Jul 2010 08:09:54 -0700 http://www.listsearch.com/Mailsmith/Message/index.lasso?11831 Rich Siegel to Mailsmith Talk on 2010-07-05 08:09:54 - On Monday, July 5, 2010, Peter Eckel <pe-google-mailsmith@hindenburgring.com> wrote: >>IMAP is not a backup system. In my opinion, Time Machine is not >>either. Relying on either, or both, as part of a recovery system >>for catastrophic failure i... Mon, 05 Jul 2010 07:16:58 -0700 http://www.listsearch.com/Mailsmith/Message/index.lasso?11830 Phil Tanny to Mailsmith Talk on 2010-07-05 07:16:58 - > > I do not rely on Time Machine for system recovery; I use a > > different system, which involves an external hard disk and a > > SuperDuper backup scheduled to run in the middle of the night. > > That would be *very* much hassle. Too much, in my o... Mon, 05 Jul 2010 07:15:02 -0700 http://www.listsearch.com/Mailsmith/Message/index.lasso?11829 Rich Siegel to Mailsmith Talk on 2010-07-05 07:15:02 - On Monday, July 5, 2010, Peter Eckel <pe-google-mailsmith@hindenburgring.com> wrote: >Hello Bill, > >thanks for your long answer. > >>The problem with Mailsmith and Time Machine is not unique to >>Mailsmith or Time Machine. Nor is it limited to ... Mon, 05 Jul 2010 07:07:07 -0700 http://www.listsearch.com/Mailsmith/Message/index.lasso?11828 Peter Eckel to Mailsmith Talk on 2010-07-05 07:07:07 - Hi Rich, > Try this thought experiment: in what you wrote, change > "Mailsmith" to "Microsoft Word", "IMAP" to "open-standards XML > file format", and "my Mailsmith database" to "my masters' degree > thesis". Then read it out loud to yourself. th...