| From: Steven Evans | Date Sent: 2009-03-20 09:10:55 |
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Good morning!
I am trying to come up with a clever way to get around the 500 email
gmail limit when sending emails from my server. Although I don't
usually run into trouble....when my server gets a security scan, I
sometimes get a bunch of error email as the security scanner tries its
random stuff.
Thus, none of my server email gets out for the next day.
As it stands, when lasso starts up, I have a file called
security.lasso in my startup folder that looks something like this:
<?LassoScript
var:'domain1_email_from'= 'mysendaddress@[Protected]';
var:'domain1_email_port'= '587';
var:'domain1_email_host'= 'smtp.gmail.com';
var:'domain1_email_security_un'= 'mysendaddress@[Protected]'';
var:'domain1_email_security_pw'= 'mypw1';
?>
<?LassoScript
var:'domain2_email_from'= 'mysendaddress@[Protected]';
var:'domain2_email_security_un'= 'mysendaddress@[Protected]';
var:'domain2_email_security_pw'= 'mypw1';
?>
So, what I have done is set up a bunch of extra users on my first
domain:
server@[Protected]
server1@[Protected]
server2@[Protected]
etc.
What I am trying to figure out what to do is to get my startup file to
choose when to switch to the next username. After I send the first
500 emails, the "from" address and "un" become server2@[Protected]
Any ideas, or any clever ways anybody is dealing with this?
Thanks!
sqe
Steven Q. Evans
Director of Technological Resources
MSI Production Services
http://www.msiprod.com
(858)348-0629 • Mobile (858)344-3351 • (707)215-1032 Fax • sqevans@[Protected]
| From: Deco Rior | Date Sent: 2009-03-20 09:23:22 |
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Hi, Steve:
Been there, done that! You will save an abundance of time by using
MailChimp and getting away from this headache. Your lasso servers will
not get blacklisted and your customers will get hight delivery rates,
etc.
Pass the cost on to your customers.
Deco
On Mar 20, 2009, at 10:10 AM, Steven Evans wrote:
> Good morning!
>
> I am trying to come up with a clever way to get around the 500 email
> gmail limit when sending emails from my server. Although I don't
> usually run into trouble....when my server gets a security scan, I
> sometimes get a bunch of error email as the security scanner tries
> its random stuff.
>
> Thus, none of my server email gets out for the next day.
>
> As it stands, when lasso starts up, I have a file called
> security.lasso in my startup folder that looks something like this:
>
> <?LassoScript
> var:'domain1_email_from'= 'mysendaddress@[Protected]';
> var:'domain1_email_port'= '587';
> var:'domain1_email_host'= 'smtp.gmail.com';
> var:'domain1_email_security_un'= 'mysendaddress@[Protected]'';
> var:'domain1_email_security_pw'= 'mypw1';
> ?>
>
>
> <?LassoScript
> var:'domain2_email_from'= 'mysendaddress@[Protected]';
> var:'domain2_email_security_un'= 'mysendaddress@[Protected]';
> var:'domain2_email_security_pw'= 'mypw1';
> ?>
>
>
> So, what I have done is set up a bunch of extra users on my first
> domain:
>
> server@[Protected]
> server1@[Protected]
> server2@[Protected]
> etc.
>
> What I am trying to figure out what to do is to get my startup file
> to choose when to switch to the next username. After I send the
> first 500 emails, the "from" address and "un" become server2@[Protected]
> .
>
> Any ideas, or any clever ways anybody is dealing with this?
>
> Thanks!
>
> sqe
>
>
>
> Steven Q. Evans
> Director of Technological Resources
> MSI Production Services
> http://www.msiprod.com
> (858)348-0629 • Mobile (858)344-3351 • (707)215-1032 Fax • sqevans@[Protected]
| From: Fletcher Sandbeck | Date Sent: 2009-03-20 09:53:33 |
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On 3/20/09 at 9:10 AM, sqevans@[Protected] (Steven Evans) wrote:
>I am trying to come up with a clever way to get around the 500 email
>gmail limit when sending emails from my server. Although I don't
>usually run into trouble....when my server gets a security scan, I
>sometimes get a bunch of error email as the security scanner tries its
>random stuff.
What Deco said. Getting a good SMTP host where you are within
their usage agreement is a lot easier in the long run than
hacking around limitations.
However, as an intellectual exercise, rather than rotating
through different email addresses it would probably be easier to
use one of ten addresses at random for each email send. If you
use -From='sender' + math_random(-lower=1, -upper=9) +
'@example.com', then you'll tend to get one ninth of the
messages sent from each address. This should work fine if you
are sending up to 2000 message or so I would think. If you are
sending 4500 messages then you'd want to use a bigger set of
send addresses.
[fletcher]
--
Fletcher Sandbeck fletcher@[Protected]
LassoSoft, LLC http://www.lassosoft.com
| From: Steven Evans | Date Sent: 2009-03-20 09:56:52 |
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Thanks, Deco....
So....it looks like this is made for mass marketing, you're thinking
that this would work well as a glorified smtp server for me to use for
all of my traffic too?
sqe
On Mar 20, 2009, at 9:23 AM, Deco Rior wrote:
> Hi, Steve:
>
> Been there, done that! You will save an abundance of time by using
> MailChimp and getting away from this headache. Your lasso servers
> will not get blacklisted and your customers will get hight delivery
> rates, etc.
>
> Pass the cost on to your customers.
>
> Deco
> On Mar 20, 2009, at 10:10 AM, Steven Evans wrote:
>
>> Good morning!
>>
>> I am trying to come up with a clever way to get around the 500
>> email gmail limit when sending emails from my server. Although I
>> don't usually run into trouble....when my server gets a security
>> scan, I sometimes get a bunch of error email as the security
>> scanner tries its random stuff.
>>
>> Thus, none of my server email gets out for the next day.
>>
>> As it stands, when lasso starts up, I have a file called
>> security.lasso in my startup folder that looks something like this:
>>
>> <?LassoScript
>> var:'domain1_email_from'= 'mysendaddress@[Protected]';
>> var:'domain1_email_port'= '587';
>> var:'domain1_email_host'= 'smtp.gmail.com';
>> var:'domain1_email_security_un'= 'mysendaddress@[Protected]'';
>> var:'domain1_email_security_pw'= 'mypw1';
>> ?>
>>
>>
>> <?LassoScript
>> var:'domain2_email_from'= 'mysendaddress@[Protected]';
>> var:'domain2_email_security_un'= 'mysendaddress@[Protected]';
>> var:'domain2_email_security_pw'= 'mypw1';
>> ?>
>>
>>
>> So, what I have done is set up a bunch of extra users on my first
>> domain:
>>
>> server@[Protected]
>> server1@[Protected]
>> server2@[Protected]
>> etc.
>>
>> What I am trying to figure out what to do is to get my startup file
>> to choose when to switch to the next username. After I send the
>> first 500 emails, the "from" address and "un" become server2@[Protected]
>> .
>>
>> Any ideas, or any clever ways anybody is dealing with this?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> sqe
>>
>>
>>
>> Steven Q. Evans
>> Director of Technological Resources
>> MSI Production Services
>> http://www.msiprod.com
>> (858)348-0629 • Mobile (858)344-3351 • (707)215-1032 Fax • sqevans@[Protected]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
>
Steven Q. Evans
Director of Technological Resources
MSI Production Services
http://www.msiprod.com
(858)348-0629 • Mobile (858)344-3351 • (707)215-1032 Fax • sqevans@[Protected]
| From: Steven Evans | Date Sent: 2009-03-20 10:00:54 |
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Ahhhh....interesting short-term idea, Fletcher. And, that will work
with something that is loaded at startup? So anytime I call the
variable from email_send, it "re=randomize"?
Thanks!
sqe
On Mar 20, 2009, at 9:53 AM, Fletcher Sandbeck wrote:
> On 3/20/09 at 9:10 AM, sqevans@[Protected] (Steven Evans) wrote:
>
>> I am trying to come up with a clever way to get around the 500 email
>> gmail limit when sending emails from my server. Although I don't
>> usually run into trouble....when my server gets a security scan, I
>> sometimes get a bunch of error email as the security scanner tries
>> its
>> random stuff.
>
> What Deco said. Getting a good SMTP host where you are within their
> usage agreement is a lot easier in the long run than hacking around
> limitations.
>
> However, as an intellectual exercise, rather than rotating through
> different email addresses it would probably be easier to use one of
> ten addresses at random for each email send. If you use -
> From='sender' + math_random(-lower=1, -upper=9) + '@example.com',
> then you'll tend to get one ninth of the messages sent from each
> address. This should work fine if you are sending up to 2000
> message or so I would think. If you are sending 4500 messages then
> you'd want to use a bigger set of send addresses.
>
> [fletcher]
>
> --
> Fletcher Sandbeck fletcher@[Protected]
> LassoSoft, LLC http://www.lassosoft.com
>
>
>
> --
>
>
Steven Q. Evans
Director of Technological Resources
MSI Production Services
http://www.msiprod.com
(858)348-0629 • Mobile (858)344-3351 • (707)215-1032 Fax • sqevans@[Protected]
| From: Fletcher Sandbeck | Date Sent: 2009-03-20 10:16:10 |
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On 3/20/09 at 10:00 AM, sqevans@[Protected] (Steven Evans) wrote:
>Ahhhh....interesting short-term idea, Fletcher. And, that will
>work with something that is loaded at startup? So anytime I
>call the variable from email_send, it "re=randomize"?
If you define it as a type like this then every time you call
the variable $domain1_email_from you will get a different
address. That way you don't need to change your format files,
but just put this new code in startup.
define_type('my_email_from');
define_tag('onconvert');
return('sender' + math_random(-lower=1, -upper=9) + '@example.com');
/define_tag;
/define_type;
var:'domain1_email_from'= my_email_from;
Google has a Gmail for Organizations which might be worth
looking into. It might remove the limitation.
[fletcher]
--
Fletcher Sandbeck fletcher@[Protected]
LassoSoft, LLC http://www.lassosoft.com
| From: Deco Rior | Date Sent: 2009-03-20 16:53:17 |
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I have talked to them about this, and while it is built for mss
marketing they do not really have a concern for small mail loads.
We used to have a throttle on our system where above a certain number
we would direct to a mass email solution.
On Mar 20, 2009, at 10:56 AM, Steven Evans wrote:
> Thanks, Deco....
>
> So....it looks like this is made for mass marketing, you're thinking
> that this would work well as a glorified smtp server for me to use
> for all of my traffic too?
>
> sqe
>
>
> On Mar 20, 2009, at 9:23 AM, Deco Rior wrote:
>
>> Hi, Steve:
>>
>> Been there, done that! You will save an abundance of time by using
>> MailChimp and getting away from this headache. Your lasso servers
>> will not get blacklisted and your customers will get hight delivery
>> rates, etc.
>>
>> Pass the cost on to your customers.
>>
>> Deco
>> On Mar 20, 2009, at 10:10 AM, Steven Evans wrote:
>>
>>> Good morning!
>>>
>>> I am trying to come up with a clever way to get around the 500
>>> email gmail limit when sending emails from my server. Although I
>>> don't usually run into trouble....when my server gets a security
>>> scan, I sometimes get a bunch of error email as the security
>>> scanner tries its random stuff.
>>>
>>> Thus, none of my server email gets out for the next day.
>>>
>>> As it stands, when lasso starts up, I have a file called
>>> security.lasso in my startup folder that looks something like this:
>>>
>>> <?LassoScript
>>> var:'domain1_email_from'= 'mysendaddress@[Protected]';
>>> var:'domain1_email_port'= '587';
>>> var:'domain1_email_host'= 'smtp.gmail.com';
>>> var:'domain1_email_security_un'= 'mysendaddress@[Protected]'';
>>> var:'domain1_email_security_pw'= 'mypw1';
>>> ?>
>>>
>>>
>>> <?LassoScript
>>> var:'domain2_email_from'= 'mysendaddress@[Protected]';
>>> var:'domain2_email_security_un'= 'mysendaddress@[Protected]';
>>> var:'domain2_email_security_pw'= 'mypw1';
>>> ?>
>>>
>>>
>>> So, what I have done is set up a bunch of extra users on my first
>>> domain:
>>>
>>> server@[Protected]
>>> server1@[Protected]
>>> server2@[Protected]
>>> etc.
>>>
>>> What I am trying to figure out what to do is to get my startup
>>> file to choose when to switch to the next username. After I send
>>> the first 500 emails, the "from" address and "un" become server2@[Protected]
>>> .
>>>
>>> Any ideas, or any clever ways anybody is dealing with this?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> sqe
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Steven Q. Evans
>>> Director of Technological Resources
>>> MSI Production Services
>>> http://www.msiprod.com
>>> (858)348-0629 • Mobile (858)344-3351 • (707)215-1032 Fax • sqevans@[Protected]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>
> Steven Q. Evans
> Director of Technological Resources
> MSI Production Services
> http://www.msiprod.com
> (858)348-0629 • Mobile (858)344-3351 • (707)215-1032 Fax • sqevans@[Protected]
| From: Dominique Guardiola | Date Sent: 2009-03-21 06:35:59 |
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Le 20 mars 09 à 17:23, Deco Rior a écrit :
> Hi, Steve:
>
> Been there, done that! You will save an abundance of time by using
> MailChimp and getting away from this headache. Your lasso servers
> will not get blacklisted and your customers will get hight delivery
> rates, etc.
About Mailchimp Deco,
is it possible to use them only as a smtp hub , I mean passing them
the customized HTML emails one by one, without using their templates
services ?
--
Dominique Guardiola, QUINODE
http://www.quinode.fr/
| From: Deco Rior | Date Sent: 2009-03-21 07:00:39 |
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Yes!
Remember you pay for the total amount of active emails in the system ,
so this could be expensive.
Secondly, it is possible to pass customized html to a template or even
PART of a template (This is a killer feature!). So we have a template
that has custom html passed to it only, hence no problem to do what
you want.
Each email would be a campaign, and hence lots of campaigns. We do
some garbage collection.
We do use it this way since individual emails are a low percentage of
what our customers are sending. If it was used exclusively as an SMTP
hub, MailChimp might care if you tried to cheat the system (i.e.
create and delete subscribers all the time!).
Deco
P.S. If the same name appears on a list it counts towards your total
each time. That is.
List A:
Deco Rior
List B:
Deco Rior
Counts as TWO subscribers. This ABSOLUTELY makes sense by the way.
On Mar 21, 2009, at 7:35 AM, Dominique Guardiola wrote:
>
> Le 20 mars 09 à 17:23, Deco Rior a écrit :
>
>> Hi, Steve:
>>
>> Been there, done that! You will save an abundance of time by using
>> MailChimp and getting away from this headache. Your lasso servers
>> will not get blacklisted and your customers will get hight delivery
>> rates, etc.
>
>
> About Mailchimp Deco,
> is it possible to use them only as a smtp hub , I mean passing them
> the customized HTML emails one by one, without using their templates
> services ?
>
> --
> Dominique Guardiola, QUINODE
> http://www.quinode.fr/
| From: Jason Huck | Date Sent: 2009-03-21 07:11:50 |
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Rather than using MailChimp's template system, we actually compose the
mail and send the entire thing to MailChimp each time we create a new
campaign. The only processing MailChimp does to it before sending it
out is (a) the mail-merge features to personalize each one, and (b)
automatically creating the plain text version to go along with it.
Here's sample usage:
[//lasso
// this assumes the MailChimp custom type is already loaded
// and an API key has been set to $chimpKey...
// initialize a MailChimp object
var('mychimp') = mailchimp( -key=$chimpKey, -output='json');
// include template
var('msg') = include_raw('template.html');
// ...do some processing to the template on our side...
// create the campaign at MailChimp
var('campaignID') = $mychimp->campaignCreate(
-type='regular',
-options=array(
'list_id'=client_param('list'),
'subject'=string_truncate($article->title, 140),
'from_email'='info@[Protected]',
'from_name'='Your Company',
'generate_text'=true
),
-content=array('html'=$msg)
);
// the ID comes back quoted, so strip the quotes
$campaignID->replace('"','');
// send the campaign we just created
var('success') = $mychimp->campaignSendNow( -cid=$campaignID);
// do some error handling, etc...
if(!boolean($success));
// oh noes!
/if;
]
The MailChimp custom type is available here:
http://tagSwap.net/mailchimp/
HTH,
Jason
--
tagSwap.net :: Open Source Lasso Code
<http://tagSwap.net/>
| From: Bil Corry | Date Sent: 2009-03-21 07:16:19 |
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Deco Rior wrote on 3/21/2009 9:00 AM:
> P.S. If the same name appears on a list it counts towards your total
> each time. That is.
>
> List A:
> Deco Rior
> List B:
> Deco Rior
>
> Counts as TWO subscribers.
They have two pricing models, one of which is based on the number of subscribers. Do NOT use that plan if you have the above scenario as you'll be paying for the same subscriber multiple times. Instead, go with their per-message plan. And if you purchase more than 200k emails, you might be able to negotiate a slightly better rate.
- Bil
| From: Deco Rior | Date Sent: 2009-03-21 07:32:04 |
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Yes, they do have two pricing models. I was assuming that it was a
mixed population of emails (some individual some bulk).
You could have an account setup with each one.
In addition to passing the html as Jason described you can point it to
a url which also works well. I like the template model only that it
gives me an easy way to add footers, headers, unsubscribe, etc. and
just change the content that I want.
That way my lasso code only has to do the work I need, and not pass
the unsubscribe code,etc.
It also gives my clients a way to change the template to what they
want. For example, we have a client that likes to put announcements at
the bottom of each email. So I let them edit the Mailchimp template,
and then only pass the critical content when I sent it.
I used to do what Jason described, but considered the template model
to be more powerful.
Lastly, we do this.
We allow our customers to create a two column newsletter. The side
column is advertising upcoming events, etc. Th main column is more
news stories. For SOME individual emails (i.e. confirmation) we ONLY
replace the main column. Hence, the final email is a composition of
both dynamic content and static content.
So in summary we have the following.
1. Email with header footer, unsubscribe template - dynamic content
2. Email with header, footer, unsubscribe, side column template -
dynamic main column
3. Email with header, footer, unsubscribe, side column, main column
template.
(We actually have more than this).
Deco
On Mar 21, 2009, at 8:16 AM, Bil Corry wrote:
> Deco Rior wrote on 3/21/2009 9:00 AM:
>> P.S. If the same name appears on a list it counts towards your total
>> each time. That is.
>>
>> List A:
>> Deco Rior
>> List B:
>> Deco Rior
>>
>> Counts as TWO subscribers.
>
> They have two pricing models, one of which is based on the number of
> subscribers. Do NOT use that plan if you have the above scenario as
> you'll be paying for the same subscriber multiple times. Instead,
> go with their per-message plan. And if you purchase more than 200k
> emails, you might be able to negotiate a slightly better rate.
>
>
> - Bil
| From: Dominique Guardiola | Date Sent: 2009-03-21 08:14:26 |
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Le 21 mars 09 à 15:11, Jason Huck a écrit :
> Rather than using MailChimp's template system, we actually compose the
> mail and send the entire thing to MailChimp each time we create a new
> campaign. The only processing MailChimp does to it before sending it
> out is (a) the mail-merge features to personalize each one,
thanks for exposing the tag Jason,
but in this example where is the data sent to do the email_merge work ?
or is it via the users list at the mailchimp account + a special merge
syntax to use in my templates ?
> and (b)
> automatically creating the plain text version to go along with it.
>
> Here's sample usage:
>
> [//lasso
> // this assumes the MailChimp custom type is already loaded
> // and an API key has been set to $chimpKey...
>
> // initialize a MailChimp object
> var('mychimp') = mailchimp( -key=$chimpKey, -output='json');
>
> // include template
> var('msg') = include_raw('template.html');
>
> // ...do some processing to the template on our side...
>
> // create the campaign at MailChimp
> var('campaignID') = $mychimp->campaignCreate(
> -type='regular',
> -options=array(
> 'list_id'=client_param('list'),
> 'subject'=string_truncate($article->title, 140),
> 'from_email'='info@[Protected]',
> 'from_name'='Your Company',
> 'generate_text'=true
> ),
> -content=array('html'=$msg)
> );
>
> // the ID comes back quoted, so strip the quotes
> $campaignID->replace('"','');
>
> // send the campaign we just created
> var('success') = $mychimp->campaignSendNow( -cid=$campaignID);
>
> // do some error handling, etc...
> if(!boolean($success));
> // oh noes!
> /if;
> ]
>
>
> The MailChimp custom type is available here:
>
> http://tagSwap.net/mailchimp/
| From: Jason Huck | Date Sent: 2009-03-21 08:58:37 |
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> or is it via the users list at the mailchimp account + a special merge
> syntax to use in my templates ?
Correct. You pick which list you're sending from and in the template
use tags like |*FNAME*| for firstname, |*LNAME*| for lastname, etc.
There are standard ones as well as user-defined ones.
JLH
--
tagSwap.net :: Open Source Lasso Code
<http://tagSwap.net/>
| From: Deco Rior | Date Sent: 2009-03-21 09:15:04 |
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If you login to Mail Chimp and go to the List you can look at all the
tags and add your own.
There is also an api call to list them for a list
On Mar 21, 2009, at 9:58 AM, Jason Huck wrote:
>> or is it via the users list at the mailchimp account + a special
>> merge
>> syntax to use in my templates ?
>
> Correct. You pick which list you're sending from and in the template
> use tags like |*FNAME*| for firstname, |*LNAME*| for lastname, etc.
> There are standard ones as well as user-defined ones.
>
> JLH
>
> --
> tagSwap.net :: Open Source Lasso Code
> <http://tagSwap.net/>
| From: Dominique Guardiola | Date Sent: 2009-03-21 13:11:30 |
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Great, must test this !
Le 21 mars 09 à 17:15, Deco Rior a écrit :
> If you login to Mail Chimp and go to the List you can look at all
> the tags and add your own.
>
> On Mar 21, 2009, at 9:58 AM, Jason Huck wrote:
>> There are standard ones as well as user-defined ones.
--
Dominique Guardiola, QUINODE
http://www.quinode.fr/
| From: Johan Solve | Date Sent: 2009-03-24 15:49:37 |
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On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Steven Evans <sqevans@[Protected]> wrote:
> Good morning!
>
> I am trying to come up with a clever way to get around the 500 email gmail
> limit when sending emails from my server. Although I don't usually run into
> trouble....when my server gets a security scan, I sometimes get a bunch of
> error email as the security scanner tries its random stuff.
Is it this limitation you are talking about?
http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=22839
"...if you send a message to more than 500 recipients..."
To me this sounds more like a limit of 500 recipients per message (or
100 when going through the SMTP interface instead of webmail
interface).
It says "*a* message", it doesn't say "500 messages".
I'm very interested in what the limit is really. I've tried for an
answer but there seem to be a lot of confusion about this.
Also, do the same limits apply when using Google Apps mail?
>
> Thus, none of my server email gets out for the next day.
>
> As it stands, when lasso starts up, I have a file called security.lasso in
> my startup folder that looks something like this:
>
> <?LassoScript
> var:'domain1_email_from'= 'mysendaddress@[Protected]';
> var:'domain1_email_port'= '587';
> var:'domain1_email_host'= 'smtp.gmail.com';
> var:'domain1_email_security_un'= 'mysendaddress@[Protected]'';
> var:'domain1_email_security_pw'= 'mypw1';
> ?>
>
>
> <?LassoScript
> var:'domain2_email_from'= 'mysendaddress@[Protected]';
> var:'domain2_email_security_un'= 'mysendaddress@[Protected]';
> var:'domain2_email_security_pw'= 'mypw1';
> ?>
>
>
> So, what I have done is set up a bunch of extra users on my first domain:
>
> server@[Protected]
> server1@[Protected]
> server2@[Protected]
> etc.
>
> What I am trying to figure out what to do is to get my startup file to
> choose when to switch to the next username. After I send the first 500
> emails, the "from" address and "un" become server2@[Protected]
>
> Any ideas, or any clever ways anybody is dealing with this?
>
> Thanks!
>
> sqe
>
>
>
> Steven Q. Evans
> Director of Technological Resources
> MSI Production Services
> http://www.msiprod.com
> (858)348-0629 • Mobile (858)344-3351 • (707)215-1032 Fax •
> sqevans@[Protected]
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
>
>
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Mvh
Johan Sölve
____________________________________
Montania System AB
Halmstad Stockholm Malmö
http://www.montania.se
Johan Sölve
Mobil +46 709-51 55 70
johan@[Protected]
Kristinebergsvägen 17, S-302 41 Halmstad, Sweden
Telefon +46 35-136800 | Fax +46 35-136801
| From: Steven Evans | Date Sent: 2009-03-25 23:35:21 |
| Subject: Re: Working with google's 500 email SMTP limit... | To: Lasso Talk |
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Hi Johan!
I have my company using the "free" version of gmail, and if a user
sends more than 500 emails in one day, google bounces anything else
back for the rest of the day.....
They are definitely counting sends, at least on the free service....
sqe
On Mar 24, 2009, at 3:49 PM, Johan Solve wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Steven Evans <sqevans@[Protected]>
> wrote:
>> Good morning!
>>
>> I am trying to come up with a clever way to get around the 500
>> email gmail
>> limit when sending emails from my server. Although I don't usually
>> run into
>> trouble....when my server gets a security scan, I sometimes get a
>> bunch of
>> error email as the security scanner tries its random stuff.
>
> Is it this limitation you are talking about?
> http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=22839
> "...if you send a message to more than 500 recipients..."
>
> To me this sounds more like a limit of 500 recipients per message (or
> 100 when going through the SMTP interface instead of webmail
> interface).
> It says "*a* message", it doesn't say "500 messages".
>
> I'm very interested in what the limit is really. I've tried for an
> answer but there seem to be a lot of confusion about this.
>
> Also, do the same limits apply when using Google Apps mail?
>
>
>>
>> Thus, none of my server email gets out for the next day.
>>
>> As it stands, when lasso starts up, I have a file called
>> security.lasso in
>> my startup folder that looks something like this:
>>
>> <?LassoScript
>> var:'domain1_email_from'= 'mysendaddress@[Protected]';
>> var:'domain1_email_port'= '587';
>> var:'domain1_email_host'= 'smtp.gmail.com';
>> var:'domain1_email_security_un'= 'mysendaddress@[Protected]'';
>> var:'domain1_email_security_pw'= 'mypw1';
>> ?>
>>
>>
>> <?LassoScript
>> var:'domain2_email_from'= 'mysendaddress@[Protected]';
>> var:'domain2_email_security_un'= 'mysendaddress@[Protected]';
>> var:'domain2_email_security_pw'= 'mypw1';
>> ?>
>>
>>
>> So, what I have done is set up a bunch of extra users on my first
>> domain:
>>
>> server@[Protected]
>> server1@[Protected]
>> server2@[Protected]
>> etc.
>>
>> What I am trying to figure out what to do is to get my startup file
>> to
>> choose when to switch to the next username. After I send the
>> first 500
>> emails, the "from" address and "un" become server2@[Protected]
>>
>> Any ideas, or any clever ways anybody is dealing with this?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> sqe
>>
>>
>>
>> Steven Q. Evans
>> Director of Technological Resources
>> MSI Production Services
>> http://www.msiprod.com
>> (858)348-0629 • Mobile (858)344-3351 • (707)215-1032 Fax •
>> sqevans@[Protected]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Mvh
> Johan Sölve
> ____________________________________
> Montania System AB
> Halmstad Stockholm Malmö
> http://www.montania.se
>
> Johan Sölve
> Mobil +46 709-51 55 70
> johan@[Protected]
>
> Kristinebergsvägen 17, S-302 41 Halmstad, Sweden
> Telefon +46 35-136800 | Fax +46 35-136801
>
> --
>
>
Steven Q. Evans
Director of Technological Resources
MSI Production Services
http://www.msiprod.com
(858)348-0629 • Mobile (858)344-3351 • (707)215-1032 Fax • sqevans@[Protected]