I bought a new PC in October, but am just getting around to trying to
hook up my ancient HP IIcx flatbed scanner. When I had the PC built,
I insisted on having an external SCSI port, not so much for the IIcx,
but for my Polarioid slide scanner (which I'm not trying to install
at the moment).

New PC is running XP, SP2 (just like the old PC). But it doesn't see
the IIcx. I suspect a SCSI configuration problem. Never had a problem
using external SCSI devices on the old PC. The old PC has an
dual-channel Adaptec, new PC has this (copied from the invoice):

CN-LSI-MR320-2X MEGARAID SCSI 320-2X (532) ( PERC 4) dual-channel LSI53C1030

New PC has an internal SCSI RAID, but I made it clear to the builder
that I needed to hook up old external SCSI devices (in addition the
scanners, I've also got Zip drives and a Jaz). There are two external
SCSI ports, but I've tried both and still can't see the scanner. I
looked through device manager and nothing jumped out at me, but WTF do I know?

I can't contact the builder until Monday (I want to make sure he made
that external SCSI port "live"), but in the meantime, I'd welcome any
suggestions. I need to scan some photos this weekend, although I've
already resigned myself to the possibility that it ain't gonna happen.

And if I can't get the old scanners to work with the new PC's SCSI
adapter, anyone got recommendations for a new flatbed scanner?

TIA,

Marlene

I'm no expert on scanners, but every time I've bought one (starting
with a carefully researched, top-rated $800 SCSI model about a decade
ago, and ending with my current 4-year-old, bottom of the line USB
Epson, which cost about $200), I've paid half what I paid for the
previous one, had less trouble hooking it up and working the software,
and I've gotten at least twice as good scans. So, relax, you're about
to get an upgrade, no matter what new model you choose:)
dc


On May 31, 2008, at 3:07 PM, Marlene Hochberg wrote:
> And if I can't get the old scanners to work with the new PC's SCSI
> adapter, anyone got recommendations for a new flatbed scanner?

Hi Marlene...

I'm not a hardware expert, but do you have the drivers for the scanner
installed on the new PC? Have you tried making sure the scanner is powered
up before you power up the PC? It sounds like in Device Manager that there
aren't any gold triangles, so from the OS it "sees" the port... I hope
someone else is online this weekend who can give better advice than I can.

What I'm really replying to, however, is to say that I have a MicroTek
flatbed scanner with Digital Ice, it has all the frames to scan slides, and
it's oversized as well. I LOVE it. It works like a champ, the scans are
gorgeous, and I'm often scanning photos with questionable quality -- the
scans come out better than the photos. And the slides I scan are great too.

http://www.microtekusa.com/smi900.html

Good luck!
Pauline


----- Original Message -----
From: "Marlene Hochberg" <marlene@[Protected]>
To: "InDesign Talk" <indesign@[Protected]>
Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 5:07 PM
Subject: OT: flatbed scanner


>I bought a new PC in October, but am just getting around to trying to hook
>up my ancient HP IIcx flatbed scanner. When I had the PC built, I insisted
>on having an external SCSI port, not so much for the IIcx, but for my
>Polarioid slide scanner (which I'm not trying to install at the moment).
>
> New PC is running XP, SP2 (just like the old PC). But it doesn't see the
> IIcx. I suspect a SCSI configuration problem. Never had a problem using
> external SCSI devices on the old PC. The old PC has an dual-channel
> Adaptec, new PC has this (copied from the invoice):
>
> CN-LSI-MR320-2X MEGARAID SCSI 320-2X (532) ( PERC 4) dual-channel
> LSI53C1030
>
> New PC has an internal SCSI RAID, but I made it clear to the builder that
> I needed to hook up old external SCSI devices (in addition the scanners,
> I've also got Zip drives and a Jaz). There are two external SCSI ports,
> but I've tried both and still can't see the scanner. I looked through
> device manager and nothing jumped out at me, but WTF do I know?
>
> I can't contact the builder until Monday (I want to make sure he made that
> external SCSI port "live"), but in the meantime, I'd welcome any
> suggestions. I need to scan some photos this weekend, although I've
> already resigned myself to the possibility that it ain't gonna happen.
>
> And if I can't get the old scanners to work with the new PC's SCSI
> adapter, anyone got recommendations for a new flatbed scanner?
>
> TIA,
>
> Marlene

I'm a fan of epson scanners for the price and performance, one with
the ability to scan slides and negatives as well, with digital ice
capability. We should be talking around $200, maybe a bit more. I
shuddered when you said HP scanner earlier as I want nothing to do
with their scanners, I can expand on that if needed, but for now I
highly recommend the epsons, just keep the glass clean. HP knows how
to make a fair printer, I'll give them that, but at all costs avoid
combo scanner printers if possible.

I'm wondering depending on age if there's a legacy option that needs
to be on for the scsi to work.
On May 31, 2008, at 6:07 PM, Marlene Hochberg wrote:

> And if I can't get the old scanners to work with the new PC's SCSI
> adapter, anyone got recommendations for a new flatbed scanner

I have just bought my third scanner; they have all been Epson. My new
arrival is a Perfection V500 Photo, and for flatbed and film
scanning, the performance is spectacular at the price.

Downsides?
a) As a Mac user, the copy of PS Elements supplied won't run on
Leopard. Correspondence with Epson left me with the comment that
"this is an issue between you and Adobe"... Thanks a bunch, Epson.

b) The rather crude help files in plain html are beginning to look a
bit clunky, pdfs with illustrations would be better, a handbook would
be better still!
hth
N

Nigel Cheffers-Heard
su3264@[Protected]
0771 261 4514
Bridge Inn
Topsham
Exeter
EX3 0QQ

Marlene,

> I bought a new PC in October
> but am just getting around to trying to
> hook up my ancient HP IIcx flatbed scanner.

A google search for LSI53C1030 offers 14,700 results. Some appear to concern
drivers. Here's an update from December 2007:

http://www.lsi.com/storage_home/products_home/standard_product_ics/scsi_ics/
lsi53c1030/index.html

> Polaroid slide scanner (which I'm not trying to install at the moment).

October - December - May ... just in case:

http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=polaroid+slide+scanner+update&btnG=Googl
e-Suche&meta=

btw, how was "The ghost in ID" ending up? I am interested in your origin
desire / its final result. Will you let us know?

- thomas


Am 01.06.2008 0:07 Uhr schrieb "Marlene Hochberg" unter
<marlene@[Protected]>:

> I bought a new PC in October, but am just getting around to trying to
> hook up my ancient HP IIcx flatbed scanner. When I had the PC built,
> I insisted on having an external SCSI port, not so much for the IIcx,
> but for my Polarioid slide scanner (which I'm not trying to install
> at the moment).
>
> New PC is running XP, SP2 (just like the old PC). But it doesn't see
> the IIcx. I suspect a SCSI configuration problem. Never had a problem
> using external SCSI devices on the old PC. The old PC has an
> dual-channel Adaptec, new PC has this (copied from the invoice):
>
> CN-LSI-MR320-2X MEGARAID SCSI 320-2X (532) ( PERC 4) dual-channel LSI53C1030
>
> New PC has an internal SCSI RAID, but I made it clear to the builder
> that I needed to hook up old external SCSI devices (in addition the
> scanners, I've also got Zip drives and a Jaz). There are two external
> SCSI ports, but I've tried both and still can't see the scanner. I
> looked through device manager and nothing jumped out at me, but WTF do I know?
>
> I can't contact the builder until Monday (I want to make sure he made
> that external SCSI port "live"), but in the meantime, I'd welcome any
> suggestions. I need to scan some photos this weekend, although I've
> already resigned myself to the possibility that it ain't gonna happen.
>
> And if I can't get the old scanners to work with the new PC's SCSI
> adapter, anyone got recommendations for a new flatbed scanner?
>
> TIA,
>
> Marlene

On 5/31/08 5:07 PM, "Marlene Hochberg" <marlene@[Protected]> wrote:

> I bought a new PC in October, but am just getting around to trying to
> hook up my ancient HP IIcx flatbed scanner. When I had the PC built,
> I insisted on having an external SCSI port, not so much for the IIcx,
> but for my Polarioid slide scanner (which I'm not trying to install
> at the moment).
>
> New PC is running XP, SP2 (just like the old PC). But it doesn't see
> the IIcx. I suspect a SCSI configuration problem. Never had a problem
> using external SCSI devices on the old PC. The old PC has an
> dual-channel Adaptec, new PC has this (copied from the invoice):
>
> CN-LSI-MR320-2X MEGARAID SCSI 320-2X (532) ( PERC 4) dual-channel LSI53C1030
>
> New PC has an internal SCSI RAID, but I made it clear to the builder
> that I needed to hook up old external SCSI devices (in addition the
> scanners, I've also got Zip drives and a Jaz). There are two external
> SCSI ports, but I've tried both and still can't see the scanner. I
> looked through device manager and nothing jumped out at me, but WTF do I know?
>
> I can't contact the builder until Monday (I want to make sure he made
> that external SCSI port "live"), but in the meantime, I'd welcome any
> suggestions. I need to scan some photos this weekend, although I've
> already resigned myself to the possibility that it ain't gonna happen.
>
> And if I can't get the old scanners to work with the new PC's SCSI
> adapter, anyone got recommendations for a new flatbed scanner?
>
> TIA,
>
> Marlene
>
>
>


Have you tried changing the SCSI Address on the back of the scanner?
Example: go from a three to a four or five or whatever? If you like the
scans you've been getting with your old scanner, why waste money on a new
one?


--
Regards'n'Stuff
James W. Bogart Jr.
j.bogartjr@[Protected]



Eat Healthy
Live Happy
Die anyway

I'm not opposed to buying a new flatbed, but I'm skeptical about
doing slide scans on a flatbed (one I can afford, anyway). And
dedicated slide scanners are still pretty expensive, I think.
Assuming anyone is still manufacturing them!

I'd want a slide scanner at least as good as my Polaroid Sprintscan
Plus, if not better.

Marlene

At 07:07 PM 5/31/2008, David wrote:
>I'm no expert on scanners, but every time I've bought one (starting
>with a carefully researched, top-rated $800 SCSI model about a decade
>ago, and ending with my current 4-year-old, bottom of the line USB
>Epson, which cost about $200), I've paid half what I paid for the
>previous one, had less trouble hooking it up and working the software,
>and I've gotten at least twice as good scans. So, relax, you're about
>to get an upgrade, no matter what new model you choose:)
>dc

I haven't had any trouble at all with the HP IIcx, and I've had it forever.

I'd never use a multifunction machine for scanning. I think my
multifunction fax/printer/whatever has scanning capabilities, but I
know they wouldn't meet my high standards. <g>

What's digital ice?

I'm also wondering about the legacy option for the SCSI thing to
work. I did make it clear to the PC builder that I would be using
external devices. I had to buy a new (and pricey) SCSI cable with one
of those newer micro-mini connector doodads to hook it up to the
external port. I wonder if the cable's bad? I sure don't want to buy
another expensive cable to test that theory ...

What I ended up doing, by the way, was reviving one of my old PCs and
hooking it up the scanner. But that's not something I'd want to do
very often -- dragging equipment around and hooking it up to a
monitor, keyboard, mouse, and scanner is just too worky. If I had the
space, I could set up the old PC as a scanning station (I've got
extra peripherals), but I don't have anyplace to put it.

Marlene

At 07:36 PM 5/31/2008, Dave wrote:
>I'm a fan of epson scanners for the price and performance, one with
>the ability to scan slides and negatives as well, with digital ice
>capability. We should be talking around $200, maybe a bit more. I
>shuddered when you said HP scanner earlier as I want nothing to do
>with their scanners, I can expand on that if needed, but for now I
>highly recommend the epsons, just keep the glass clean. HP knows how
>to make a fair printer, I'll give them that, but at all costs avoid
>combo scanner printers if possible.
>
>I'm wondering depending on age if there's a legacy option that needs
>to be on for the scsi to work.

How good are the slide scans? Although my Polaroid slide scanner is
old and slow, it does do pretty good scans. I confess I can't see how
a flatbed -- at least not an inexpensive one -- could do a great job
on slides. But I'd like to be wrong about that.

Marlene


At 04:49 AM 6/1/2008, Nigel wrote:
>I have just bought my third scanner; they have all been Epson. My new
>arrival is a Perfection V500 Photo, and for flatbed and film
>scanning, the performance is spectacular at the price.
>
>Downsides?
>a) As a Mac user, the copy of PS Elements supplied won't run on
>Leopard. Correspondence with Epson left me with the comment that
>"this is an issue between you and Adobe"... Thanks a bunch, Epson.
>
>b) The rather crude help files in plain html are beginning to look a
>bit clunky, pdfs with illustrations would be better, a handbook would
>be better still!
>hth
>N

they whom i call Marlene Hochberg wrote:
> I'm not opposed to buying a new flatbed, but I'm skeptical about doing
> slide scans on a flatbed (one I can afford, anyway). And dedicated slide
> scanners are still pretty expensive, I think. Assuming anyone is still
> manufacturing them!
>
> I'd want a slide scanner at least as good as my Polaroid Sprintscan
> Plus, if not better.

you will not match the density range of the SprintScan Plus with
a flatbed, but it depends what you are doing with the scans; for
critical reproductions you need the DMax and the high resolution,
but for practicality one of the better flatbeds (i have an Epson
4990) with a multi-slide adapter and Digital Ice (infrared dust
remediation) will be more productive, since you can do a "sheet"
of slides or negs simultaneously at a significant time savings,
and since you won't have to power it down (or keep it on all the
time) as you will with a SCSI device

for regular flatbed scans, these newer scanners can also be much
faster; some older models, however, are built much more solidly
than anything new ...







..

I have a Minolta Scan Dual III sitting here collecting dust that I
never use anymore, that's a dedicated 35mm slide and negative scanner
btw. I've owned 3 epsons, never the top of the line, but rather the
consumer versions, I've had a 1660, still have a 2400, and my main
scanner today is a 4490, which is the cheaper version of the 4990. In
a perfect world your slides and negatives would have no scratches or
dust on them and of course you would clean each slide diligently
before scanning. For flatbeds the 1660 and 2400 did pretty good jobs,
but the 4490 shocked me as it was my first experience with digital
ice. Even with the free software for digital ice provided by epson, I
was amazed. The Minolta had no such nicety and did a profoundly good
job of enhancing dust to the max, plus some noise that could be mostly
eliminated if you played with the focus. After scanning with the
minolta I always had a long cleanup job ahead of me in photoshop. At
first it did appear that the Minolta scans were sharper, and
technically they are, but after all the cleanup was done, which can
take a while, for every image....anyways I found the epson 4490
producing scans that required almost no work in photoshop afterwards
with outstanding color. The end result in print has been better from
the epson and a lot less work plus the epson can also do medium format
film. One of my favorite photos that is on a very damaged negative,
underexposed, and part of it has always been very hard to keep from
blowing out, the first try with an the epson produced better results
and was even able to get better tonal range of the super bright area
that I had never seen before. Obviously you can get a dedicated
scanner for film that has digital ice, but I paid $199 for this
scanner and am very pleased.
On Jun 5, 2008, at 10:38 PM, steve harley wrote:

> they whom i call Marlene Hochberg wrote:
>> I'm not opposed to buying a new flatbed, but I'm skeptical about
>> doing slide scans on a flatbed (one I can afford, anyway). And
>> dedicated slide scanners are still pretty expensive, I think.
>> Assuming anyone is still manufacturing them!
>> I'd want a slide scanner at least as good as my Polaroid Sprintscan
>> Plus, if not better.
>
> you will not match the density range of the SprintScan Plus with a
> flatbed, but it depends what you are doing with the scans; for
> critical reproductions you need the DMax and the high resolution,
> but for practicality one of the better flatbeds (i have an Epson
> 4990) with a multi-slide adapter and Digital Ice (infrared dust
> remediation) will be more productive, since you can do a "sheet" of
> slides or negs simultaneously at a significant time savings, and
> since you won't have to power it down (or keep it on all the time)
> as you will with a SCSI device
>
> for regular flatbed scans, these newer scanners can also be much
> faster; some older models, however, are built much more solidly than
> anything new ...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> .

I didn't think to try that, but I will this weekend.

Marlene

At 12:56 AM 6/2/2008, James wrote:

>Have you tried changing the SCSI Address on the back of the scanner?
>Example: go from a three to a four or five or whatever? If you like the
>scans you've been getting with your old scanner, why waste money on a new
>one?
>
>
>--
>Regards'n'Stuff
>James W. Bogart Jr.
>j.bogartjr@[Protected]

Would I need to have drivers installed before the SCSI adapter would
recognize a new device? I honestly can't remember. I've never had any
problems with external SCSI devices being seen by the adapter before.
I had to make sure that no two devices were set to the same SCSI ID
number, but that's not happening in this case (assuming that on the
dual-channel SCSI adapter, the external devices can have the same
numbers as internal devices since they're on a separate channel).

But it's been years since I had to hook up a SCSI device to a new PC,
and I honestly can't remember how I've done it in the past.

I think I'll call the builder and see if he can help.

Marlene

At 01:58 PM 6/1/2008, thomas wrote:

>A google search for LSI53C1030 offers 14,700 results. Some appear to
>concern drivers. Here's an update from December 2007:
>
>http://www.lsi.com/storage_home/products_home/standard_product_ics/scsi_ics/lsi53c1030/index.html
>
> > Polaroid slide scanner (which I'm not trying to install at the moment).
>
>October - December - May ... just in case:
>
>http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=polaroid+slide+scanner+update&btnG=Google-Suche&meta=
>
>- thomas

I'm pretty sure I needed a driver for my SCSI scanner when I reinstalled my
PC OS (XP).

Katharine


Marlene Hochberg wrote:
> Would I need to have drivers installed before the SCSI adapter would
> recognize a new device? I honestly can't remember. I've never had any
> problems with external SCSI devices being seen by the adapter before.
> I had to make sure that no two devices were set to the same SCSI ID
> number, but that's not happening in this case (assuming that on the
> dual-channel SCSI adapter, the external devices can have the same
> numbers as internal devices since they're on a separate channel).
>
> But it's been years since I had to hook up a SCSI device to a new PC,
> and I honestly can't remember how I've done it in the past.

Marlene,

SCSI is fraught with peril, and a very old technology,
championed by Apple, among others, in the late 1980's.

Here are some thoughts (several of these you've dealt
with):

(1) Termination.

The SCSI cable is an electrical bus, and must be
properly "terminated" at each end. In general, to
get proper operation, you can not have the adapter
be in the middle of a chain of SCSI devices. This
means, in practice, that you must not use the same
SCSI adapter port (if it is a dual port adapter)
as any internal device. It just won't work right.
(Others may argue, but that has been my experience).

I mention this because I think you aid that this
SCSI card is used in an internal RAID configuration;
if so, it is not going to work for external SCSI
devices unless you work some miracles (my opinion).

Most devices have a switch so you can enable or disable
termination. If you have a single device, and a single
cable, I would expect that you would enable termination
internally (on the card, possibly in software or
firmware; otherwise by a jumper, or worst case, with
an actual, physical, external terminator); and enable
termination at the device end. BOTH ENDS OF THE CABLE
must be terminated, again, assuming the cable just
connects the one SCSI port in the computer to your
scanner, and there's nothing else going on.

That, by the way, is the safest way to configure
a SCSI scanner.

(2) Speed

There are many different speeds of operation for
SCSI. You should be aware of this: it can range
from SCSI (or SCSI-1) all the way up to Ultra320,
which is a factor of 64 faster than SCSI-1.

(3) Parity

If you are very unlucky, you might have the wrong
setting (in the controller) on bus parity. That's
not likely to be an issue.

On the MAC under earlier OS 7 and 9, there were
some very nice utilities that would locate all the
devices on the SCSI bus, identify them, and their
speed.

I've never seen this on the PC, although it is
possible you might find something from Adaptec.
Without knowing the details, I would not just start
switching the SCSI ID around. In almost every case,
(again, assuming that the ONLY device on that
SCSI port is the scanner), the controller card
itself will have ID 6 or 7; so anything lower
than that should work. Typically scanners seem
to get 3, 4, or 5 as the ID; but it doesn't matter
what the ID is as long as no other device on the
same SCSI bus has that ID.

The scanner ID should only make a difference if
there are other devices on the SAME SCSI bus;
and if there are, you could be in trouble. You
should not put the adapter in the middle of the
chain.

Good luck.

Carl Friedberg
friedberg@[Protected]
www.esb.com
The Elias Book of Baseball Records
2008 Edition

> -----Original Message-----
> From: InDesign Talk [mailto:indesign@[Protected]] On Behalf
> Of Marlene Hochberg
> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 1:08 AM
> To: InDesign Talk
> Subject: Re: OT: flatbed scanner
>
> I didn't think to try that, but I will this weekend.
>
> Marlene
>
> At 12:56 AM 6/2/2008, James wrote:
>
> >Have you tried changing the SCSI Address on the back of the scanner?
> >Example: go from a three to a four or five or whatever? If you like
> the
> >scans you've been getting with your old scanner, why waste money on
> a new
> >one?
> >
> >
> >--
> >Regards'n'Stuff
> >James W. Bogart Jr.
> >j.bogartjr@[Protected]